Archive - Work in Progress

[TUCKER]

Found more of 1027 on this car! The back fenders look to be from 1027 also due to so many repairs and you can see repairs on the same areas as the dents of 1027. I am looking at the repairs you can see on the photos of the fenders with no paint. Looks like there is where the back fenders of 1027 went! Why don't they call it 1027 instead of 1057?? It looks like lots of 1027 is in there.

Till today there is nothing from the big window Tucker in this car I have found. Not one part so 1057 is still lost somewhere in the woods or with Santa at the north pole rusting away. I will add it to my wish list for Christmas day.

did you also see the back fenders on the convertible how they added a lip on the wheel opening to put fender skirts on it. (This way they can say the fenders were reworked on 1057 like it say on the book) but still look like the fenders from 1027 to me.

[TUCKER]

hi, here is another find! I think I found the hood from 51. Look closely under the two 57s stamped one over the other trying to hide the 51 under them. You wount miss the 51!

[TUCKER]

Right side rear fender

Looks like 1027 got a new life as a 2009 Tucker after 50 years or so. Welcome back 1027 as you have recived a new life and I am happy to know you are still with us. Never tought you would become a nice girl as you got older. You are the queen of the day.

[Tommy]

I think it looks more like the 5 is stamped twice very close together and the 7 is stamped 3 times. The first 7 is stamped sideways and the other two covering it. It was stamped before it was painted green too. The green paint was on it before Benchmark had it.

[TUCKER]

nobody would stamp a number many times like a dummy unless they wanted to hide something??

Shure Preston Tucker would have loved to see this "hotrod". I believe it is a very nice car and good use of the left over parts to make a new Tucker but it is not the same 1057, just a new idea of what a Tucker convertible could have looked like.

[TUCKER]

ok I don't know if I'm wrong on this but the hoods have the same low spot exactly the same and both window frames looked to be damaged but not shure on this.

[Tuckerfan1053]

Is it just me, or does the angle rake of the 'vert rear seem to be lower than that of the regular Tucker? That implies a whole lot of fab work for the engine hood.

[Randy Earle]

Then I was right...#57 is afloat in the "Twilight Zone", eh?

On a side note, I know where the original Kaiser Dragon Convertible is, I'm about 1/4 mile from it.

[tin goose]

I have been just reading and not chiming in about how I think the "blue egg" is a remarkable revelation , etc, etc. But, the front pieces are from 1018. Now you guys are even nit-picking the stampings and the title issues -seriously? Nobody is going to drive this car, it has been dormant, created, whatever for over 50 years, so the title does not matter. The reason I chime in is because of the allegations that Justin at Benchmark is a "fraud". I can tell you that he is NOT a fraud. Perhaps the reason he has not changed the prototype allegation is that someone at the shop is tasked to read through these posts daily and go back through their own documentation to figure out the real deal. Justin knew this car was "hot" to begin with, but did what anyone would have done with the car in the condition it was in when he stumbled upon it. If everyone on the planet was like John (Mr. blue egg), these tucker parts would have rotten away or ended up like 1023 being burned and crushed in a storage fire. Regardless of how you feel about it when it is complete, Justin Cole (more like his fab guys in the shop) have done a tremendous job on this project. So please refrain from slanderous allegations about Justin and Benchmark as a business. they are top-notch, and if you want to throw the "f" word about anyone, start from the lineage of 1057 after the factory closed - mainly Lienki and Alan for doing whatever was done over the last fifty years to this car.

but regardless, this will be a beautiful machine when complete

[TUCKER]

I am not saying nothing about the car and I do like it but just wished to know how it was started and how it was put together. All this will show how it became the car we know today and where all the parts went to over time in history. Now we know that many of the parts that were lost were never really lost and are now in good use but where is the real 1057 is the mystery that is not known till this day. Did 1057 ever survived all this time? What hapened to it? Wished we could know about it. Now 1057 of today is really a great work of art like I said before. It is a great example of what a convertible would have looked like back then. Also I have nothing against this kind of projects since I am building my own Tucker also and don't reallt care it it will be real or not as long as I like it. Remember I have never been against this 1057 but just trying to trace down history on this car. I know there are some people who don't like this car which I don't know why.

Now Tin Goose, is it the hood from 1018??? then where is the hood of 1027 today?? It was a very good hood with very minimal damage when on 1027

[TUCKER]

If everyone on the planet was like John (Mr. blue egg), these tucker parts would have rotten away or ended up like 1023 being burned and crushed in a storage fire.

that was funny how you called him "Mr. blue egg"


Well this Tucker history classroom have been lots of fun learning of where this car came from. I have enjoyed every minute of the class along with my classmates and Professor Mr Blue Egg who even gave me an award for his class. I finished my homework for this as of this day since I have nothing else to share with the students of this history class. Wished there were more photos of the mystery car to continue on with my studies. Hope we all pass this class with an A+
Your classmate Tuckerly Tucker
class of 2009

[Tucker Fan 48]

Tin Goose I have to disagree with your statement about the allegations that Justin at Benchmark is a "fraud". I can tell you that he is NOT a fraud. Perhaps the reason he has not changed the prototype allegation is that someone at the shop is tasked to read through these posts daily and go back through their own documentation to figure out the real deal. Justin knew this car was "hot" to begin with, but did what anyone would have done with the car in the condition it was in when he stumbled upon it. If everyone on the planet was like John (Mr. blue egg), these tucker parts would have rotten away or ended up like 1023 being burned and crushed in a storage fire. Regardless of how you feel about it when it is complete, Justin Cole (more like his fab guys in the shop) have done a tremendous job on this project. So please refrain from slanderous allegations about Justin and Benchmark as a business. they are top-notch, and if you want to throw the "f" word about anyone, start from the lineage of 1057 after the factory closed - mainly Lienki and Alan for doing whatever was done over the last fifty years to this car.

Have you watched the video posted on the Benchmark website? Justin goes out of his way to "verify" that the convertible he has is the top secret project
started by Preston Tucker himself and offers these statements as proof that he is correct. First he says the car is stamped in 3 places and it is but the pictures all show a different stamping. The first the "7" is somewhat bigger than the "5", the second the "7" is turned and not in line with the "5" and in the one on the hood the "7" appears to be double stamped. (see above picture in this thread) I know that the Tucker Corporation was hardly a well oiled machine and that almost every car was different but these stampings seem suspect. Maybe one of the oldtimers on the board can weigh in on the
stampings and how they look on other bodys. Cole mentions the passage from the Indomatable Tin Goose as being proof of the
convertible story. It really disproves it. The pictures from Life Magazine show #57 as the big window car and Alex Tremulis
stated the same thing. The letter from the Tucker accountant is even more of a joke. The account said he wanted to see the car
when it was done. How does that prove it was a secret "prototype"? The guy heard about the project Reinhart was working on
and wants to see it when it's done. So do I but that doen't make it a "prototype" that was built by Tucker. The 1994 discussion in
Tucker Topics about # 57 being a convertible doesn't validate it either. He says the car has the correct transmission. From what
I've read I'm not sure anyone can claim there is a the correct transmission for a Tucker as several were used and changed out
and up until the plant closed the transmission seemed to be an issue. They may have a transmission that could have been used
in a Tucker but stating it has the correct transmission is misleading.

From what has been posted and DOCUMENTED there is no proof that Lencki ever had #1057 so I doubt they Joe or anyone in his shop
has anything to do with the story Benckmark is pushing. Alan on the other hand knows a lot about where the cobbled together parts
came from. The pictures of what he bought and later of what he sold are way different. Sometime during his ownership it went from
a pile of rusty parts to the car Benchmark acquired. It appears now that little if any of #57 is in the Benchmark car. The photos, unless
they've been doctored, show clearly the damage to the Benchmark car in EXACTLY the same place as #1027. The stampings, as I pointed
out, are double stamped, crooked, and just not like anything you'd expect.

I've said before I have no question about their workmanship or that this will be a pretty cool car but I'll say it again, this is FRAUD and for them
to continue with it is just plain crazy. I guess as long as he doesn't sell the car he can say whatever story he wants but if he sells it to someone
who later finds out the truth I'd expect he'd be wearing stripes on his clothing for a lot of years. It's time for them to come clean on this deal,
especially if as Tin Goose says, Justin knew the car was "hot" when he bought it, then why not say it's a bunch of parts cobbled together that
we crafted together into what a Tucker convertible might have looked like. Or better yet, if as much of the car as it appears to be now is
really #1027 then why not restore it back to a 4-door and call it #1027? My guess is that #1027 being brought back to life and with the
DOCUMENTED history of #1027 as the rollover car it would be worth as much if not more than the million dollar Tucker that was auctioned.
It certainly would be worth more than a car cobbled together and a story that is simply not true in so many ways.

[Tuckerfan1053]

I have been just reading and not chiming in about how I think the "blue egg" is a remarkable revelation , etc, etc. But, the front pieces are from 1018.

Not all of them. You posted in this thread (viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1354&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=15) a photo of the hood stamped "57".

Now you guys are even nit-picking the stampings and the title issues -seriously?

Seriously. People with an interest in historical objects tend to do things like that. When the Smithesonian has to make a part for something they're restoring, they find the same kind of machine the part was originally made on and use that, rather than using modern equipment. They want the tool marks to be exact, even though they're going to clearly stamp the parts so that in years hence people will know that the part is a reproduction and not an original. Civil War buffs obsess over the smallest of details, even though the kinds of things they're worrying about don't matter one whit in the grand scheme of things. Why should fans of Preston Tucker and his cars be any different?

Nobody is going to drive this car,

I agree with Jay Leno, to own a classic car and not drive it, is a crime.

it has been dormant, created, whatever for over 50 years, so the title does not matter.

Actually, it does matter. If it didn't, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

The reason I chime in is because of the allegations that Justin at Benchmark is a "fraud".

I don't recall anyone saying that Justin, specifically, is a "fraud." There are some who say that the 'vert being an official design of the Tucker Corporation is not true.

I can tell you that he is NOT a fraud.

I don't think anyone here is questioning the quality of work that Benchmark is doing. From the photographs I've seen, it looks like they are doing excellent work.

Perhaps the reason he has not changed the prototype allegation is that someone at the shop is tasked to read through these posts daily and go back through their own documentation to figure out the real deal.

Sure would be nice if they'd post their documentation.

Justin knew this car was "hot" to begin with, but did what anyone would have done with the car in the condition it was in when he stumbled upon it. If everyone on the planet was like John (Mr. blue egg), these tucker parts would have rotten away or ended up like 1023 being burned and crushed in a storage fire.

That's not a certainty by any means. The previous owner had an asking price of $1 million, and from what I've been able to gather, there have been a couple of people with the financial means to buy the car, look at it and pass on it. Had the asking price been lower, they might have bought it. We don't know, and any statements to the contrary are simply speculation.

Regardless of how you feel about it when it is complete, Justin Cole (more like his fab guys in the shop) have done a tremendous job on this project.

Again, I haven't seen anyone questioning the quality of work being done on the car. Nobody's made accusations that panels are filled with Bondo, or that he's skimped anywhere (which has been done in the past with some restorations of Tuckers).

So please refrain from slanderous allegations about Justin and Benchmark as a business. they are top-notch, and if you want to throw the "f" word about anyone, start from the lineage of 1057 after the factory closed - mainly Lienki and Alan for doing whatever was done over the last fifty years to this car.

Again, I've not seen anyone saying that Benchmark, or its employees is doing slipshod work.

but regardless, this will be a beautiful machine when complete

Again, I don't think that is in question.

[Tommy]

I agree with Tuckerfan 1053 in all his points.

I will add that my “nitpicking” of the title issues were to point out how it should not be a problem.

I also said how I think the owners of the car might believe the story or at least did when they bought it. That does not make you a fraud, just wrong. A lot has come to light since Benchmark has had the car, has it not?

I also stated it was unknown who started the convertible story. Mr.Reinert did a lot of work to get it where it was but that does not mean he made it up. He may have been told the story when he bought it and just ran with it.

I have stated many times that I think it’s a cool car and they are doing a great job with it. I have also said I think they are going to get big bucks for it.

It would not surprise me if the person who buys it, despite all the evidence, also claims it to be a factory concept (I wouldn’t, but that’s me). After all, who doesn’t like a good story even if it’s a bit embellished?

[john]

Tin Goose,
Not chiming about the Remarkable revulation huh.

Please, for all to know & understand the story:
explain away how an unpainted body with an unpainted rocker was cut up, secreted away, sat for 20 plus years, "untouched" and how it then became the mystery tucker with damage and a painted rocker.
Maybe Lencki wanted something to do, so he painted the rocker and then ground and sanded the sealer, primer and paint off ?
This is the story, isn't it ???

Clerify that egg sir and we shall see if there are a multiple of more easter eggs for you, OK.

I, and I am sure many others THINK, were not chiming with you or the story as told !!!!
Please, as you stated, someone checks in daily, let all read the revelation tomorrow, OK???
Tucker, I am sure that anybody here, that is both logical and reasonable, know you deserve an A+ for your tedious work buddy.
John